Discussion:
Do you ever question your diagnosis?
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Markey
2006-05-21 02:43:47 UTC
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Hi,

I was wondering if anyone ever questioned their diagnosis?

When I was reviewing my history, I am not sure I am really bipolar.

Yes, I had some of the symptoms, which qualified me to a bipolar
catergory. And the medicine has also given me symptoms. But don't you
think it is possibe it might be a self-fulfilling prophecy? if the
doctor asks you some questions. Because he thinks you are bipolar, he
relates your answers to bipolar behavior.

Just throwing something out there for discussion.

Mark
Tom King
2006-05-21 12:39:04 UTC
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We all question our diagnosis.

Most of us at one point or another go off our meds, put in time most of us
accept that we are bipolar.

/st
Post by Markey
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone ever questioned their diagnosis?
When I was reviewing my history, I am not sure I am really bipolar.
Yes, I had some of the symptoms, which qualified me to a bipolar
catergory. And the medicine has also given me symptoms. But don't you
think it is possibe it might be a self-fulfilling prophecy? if the
doctor asks you some questions. Because he thinks you are bipolar, he
relates your answers to bipolar behavior.
Just throwing something out there for discussion.
Mark
sandra
2006-05-21 13:52:58 UTC
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this is so me.
i mean, sometimes, i wholeheartedly believe that i am bipolar, then
when the meds kick in and im feeling better, i question it. stress and
extreme emotion seem to be my triggers and ive been doing a good job
not to let those make me spiral the toilet bowl. i mean i have had some
issues since i was a teen, and initially i thought my issue was panic
disorder and social phobia, but apparently these all are symptoms of
bipolar disorder. i never knew that and when all 3 psychiatrists that i
went to told me i was bipolar i didnt really buy it at first but i felt
so shitty they could have told me i was diabetic i would have bought
it. I do struggle with the diagnosis and i do think that i could be
self fulfilling at time, i tend to question every emotion i experience
sometimes, whether or not its genuine or fueled by my fluctuating
moods. Ive never had a full fledged manic episode, my brother has, so
my family have questioned whether or not its just 'moodiness' or if
there is some legitimate underlying cause. I question it to, as ive
never been to the hospital either. My brother has been hospitalized 3
times and still says 'there's nothing wrong with me.' Perhaps that is
denial, or he could be on to something.
Honestly speaking though, when I feel horrible, and contemplate doing
radical horrible things to myself to end the inner turmoil, and I
havent slept in a week, and my mind wont turn off, and Im a bitch for
no reason,and i think people are out to get me and all have ulterior
motives, i have no choice but to accept. Thats the hardest part,
knowing that im going to be a slave to my risperdal and lithium for as
long as i live. there is no other reality for me i guess.
Max Penn
2006-05-21 15:15:25 UTC
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Post by Markey
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone ever questioned their diagnosis?
When I was reviewing my history, I am not sure I am really bipolar.
Yes, I had some of the symptoms, which qualified me to a bipolar
catergory. And the medicine has also given me symptoms. But don't you
think it is possibe it might be a self-fulfilling prophecy? if the
doctor asks you some questions. Because he thinks you are bipolar, he
relates your answers to bipolar behavior.
Just throwing something out there for discussion.
Mark
Over eighteen years of treatment, I have been identified at one time or
another as being afflcted with major depression (recurrent), ADD, BPII,
dysthymia, psychosis, GAD all for symptoms that have been pretty much the
same. I don't care anymore what it's called as long as I can manage it.
The addition of Lamictal to my cocktail of Lexapro plus Wellbutrin, plus a
splash of Levoxyl seems to be doing the trick.

Max
Harry
2006-05-21 20:05:23 UTC
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the doctor I liked at a hospital got dx wrong,like calling me
NOS(wrong) and dependent personality disorder(really avoidant p d),but
the medications worked some of the time.when I did that kind of work I
allowed that I might make a mistake(I did,once).We all got traits,it's
arbitrary often.but yes,Mark,often one's behaviours will be interpreted
to fit the practicioner's dx.The patient just has to read and
experience more and get second (& third)opinions.
Maggie
2006-05-21 22:10:07 UTC
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Post by Markey
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone ever questioned their diagnosis?
Not really, not anymore.

1. Being on a mood stablizer as made a significant, noticable
difference, as seen by myself and others.

i think this is the ultimate definer, bottom line for whether or not
you are bipolar.

My diagnosis, BP2 has the following requirements/qualifiers.

1. A history of depression often imcluding one or more server
drepressive edisode.
No question about that, having m depression being a cuase for
concern by a 6th grade teacher, having been diagnosed and treated for
uni-polar depression since age 16.....the age whenI had a driver's
liscence and went in on my own to ask to pe seen for ongoing
psychiatric help.

2. A family history of manic depression.
It runs rampant in my mother's maternal line with about 1/3 of
that line having it....noticable from 60 paces and a dramatic
difference between members of that family line who have it and those
who don't.
High incidences of suicide in that line.

3. At least one episoode of hypomania.
Well, i didn't realize what mania was, and it was always clear
that I have never hit full mania or phychosis as some of the BP members
of my family have.
The hypomania espisodes had continuously misdiagnosed as "just
me when I wasn't depressed.

My hypomaia manifests in 2 ways that are clear to me:
Ridiculouslyu wild spending sprees and episodes of very high
irritability. Who knew.

the biggest stumbling block for me to accept is that "intense
periods of goal oriented behavior"....something that has a boon to me
personally and professionally was a bad thing and a symptom of
hypomania. i have great difficulty mourning the loss of that becuase
it was the one thing in my mental health life that didn't bother
me.....In fact, i considered it a giant plus....my salvation even.
and I miss it!

So...do i doubt my diagnosis? No, i don't have that luxury.

The challange now is finding the ability to be consistantly productive
in a less dramatic was than those spurts of high productivity for which
i was so famous.

The mood stablizer kills those, but it also almost eliminated the
freqenly occuring severe depressive episodes with high suicidal
ideation.

The tarade of is almost work it.

Good question out of many good questions you've raised, markey.

so glad you are here.

Maggie
Maggie
2006-05-21 22:17:49 UTC
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Post by Markey
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone ever questioned their diagnosis?
In a related question.....

There is now almost irrefutable evidence that BP is genetic. My family
and I have participated in reacerch at the University of Chicago and
they, have narrowed it down to 2 suspected gene groups. T=Reasearh at
other respected institutions seems to confirm these findings.

As the specific genes become more clearly defined...genes for all
genetic forms of problems, like parkensons, birth defects, etc.......it
will be possible to identify fetuses with this gene invitro and only
healty embrious wil be inserted and caried to term for those who wish
to use this technology...those who know they are at ristk.

This would result in a situation where you could effetively remove the
gene from all of your descendeds and their decendents.

Would I use such technology?

Absolutely, no doubt in my mind, in a hot minute.

Maggie
Squiggles
2006-05-22 11:43:18 UTC
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I never really did, with the exception of considering
Valium withdrawal to be the cause. The funny thing
is, that everyone else did, and that must be because
I was treated quickly at the first episode and the lithium
worked so well on me. I looked more normal than normal
after that.

Squiggles
Harry
2006-05-22 21:24:36 UTC
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Post by Maggie
Post by Markey
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone ever questioned their diagnosis?
In a related question.....
There is now almost irrefutable evidence that BP is genetic. My family
and I have participated in reacerch at the University of Chicago and
they, have narrowed it down to 2 suspected gene groups. T=Reasearh at
other respected institutions seems to confirm these findings.
As the specific genes become more clearly defined...genes for all
genetic forms of problems, like parkensons, birth defects, etc.......it
will be possible to identify fetuses with this gene invitro and only
healty embrious wil be inserted and caried to term for those who wish
to use this technology...those who know they are at ristk.
This would result in a situation where you could effetively remove the
gene from all of your descendeds and their decendents.
Would I use such technology?
Absolutely, no doubt in my mind, in a hot minute.
Maggie
the physical -genes-chemistry and on & on-fogure of course,but aren't
the sole cause of causation.Maybe it's the graduate school debates over
the existential Dr.Laing's importance in understanding the major
conditions.Experience is ,must be lived yep and considered..Further
explanation of my quack propositions requires a deposit.They called me
a dnosaur in school(but not a Tyrannosaurus,maybe a thorny
Triceratops).Harry
Squiggles
2006-05-24 12:28:55 UTC
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lol -- yep, being attacked by Laingians may have been the cause;
should have sued the university :-)
Post by Harry
the physical -genes-chemistry and on & on-fogure of course,but aren't
the sole cause of causation.Maybe it's the graduate school debates over
the existential Dr.Laing's importance in understanding the major
conditions.Experience is ,must be lived yep and considered..Further
explanation of my quack propositions requires a deposit.They called me
a dnosaur in school(but not a Tyrannosaurus,maybe a thorny
Triceratops).Harry
--
"I have never seen anyone die for the ontological argument."

- Albert Camus, 'The Myth of Sisyphus'
Celtic ferret
2006-05-23 21:09:01 UTC
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No. I went manic one day at the age of 47. It took 3 yrs to get my
meds right and another 1/2 yr before I tried to reclaim my life. I
have some definiate limits and any kind of activity cam make me go
hypomanic.

I volunteer one afternoon a week. there are several special ed boys
who come in. They can send me into hypomania in 1/2 hr. The girls who
volunteer aren't special ed, there is giggling, phones, and loud
banter. Doesn't bother me at all.

For me it is too much stress negative or positive, but some stress
bothers me and some doesn't. Sometimes it will bother me one day and
not another day.

KG
HappyPolarBear
2006-05-27 14:54:42 UTC
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I quesiton my diagnose every single day even so I have seen three different
psych outside and spend twice time in the hospital.

I guess I just have a hard time to accept it. I always say my doctor
diagnosed me with BP. Never I have BP.

Carmen
Post by Markey
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone ever questioned their diagnosis?
When I was reviewing my history, I am not sure I am really bipolar.
Yes, I had some of the symptoms, which qualified me to a bipolar
catergory. And the medicine has also given me symptoms. But don't you
think it is possibe it might be a self-fulfilling prophecy? if the
doctor asks you some questions. Because he thinks you are bipolar, he
relates your answers to bipolar behavior.
Just throwing something out there for discussion.
Mark
HappyPolarBear
2006-05-27 14:54:42 UTC
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I quesiton my diagnose every single day even so I have seen three different
psych outside and spend twice time in the hospital.

I guess I just have a hard time to accept it. I always say my doctor
diagnosed me with BP. Never I have BP.

Carmen
Post by Markey
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone ever questioned their diagnosis?
When I was reviewing my history, I am not sure I am really bipolar.
Yes, I had some of the symptoms, which qualified me to a bipolar
catergory. And the medicine has also given me symptoms. But don't you
think it is possibe it might be a self-fulfilling prophecy? if the
doctor asks you some questions. Because he thinks you are bipolar, he
relates your answers to bipolar behavior.
Just throwing something out there for discussion.
Mark
Harry
2006-06-10 20:31:41 UTC
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Post by HappyPolarBear
I quesiton my diagnose every single day even so I have seen three different
psych outside and spend twice time in the hospital.
I guess I just have a hard time to accept it. I always say my doctor
diagnosed me with BP. Never I have BP.
Carmen
Post by Markey
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone ever questioned their diagnosis?
When I was reviewing my history, I am not sure I am really bipolar.
Yes, I had some of the symptoms, which qualified me to a bipolar
catergory. And the medicine has also given me symptoms. But don't you
think it is possibe it might be a self-fulfilling prophecy? if the
doctor asks you some questions. Because he thinks you are bipolar, he
relates your answers to bipolar behavior.
Just throwing something out there for discussion.
Mark
Lately I have questioned every thing I thought I was sure of.but not
the illness.Not well - but getting better.Harry
Gary Rimar
2006-06-25 20:18:02 UTC
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Bipolar disorder is one of those diseases where the patient takes the meds,
gets better because of the meds, thinks they are "cured," stops taking the
meds, and gets sicker (i.e., the same meds when restarted don't give the
same level of effect).

Gary
Post by Harry
Post by HappyPolarBear
I quesiton my diagnose every single day even so I have seen three different
psych outside and spend twice time in the hospital.
I guess I just have a hard time to accept it. I always say my doctor
diagnosed me with BP. Never I have BP.
Carmen
Post by Markey
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone ever questioned their diagnosis?
When I was reviewing my history, I am not sure I am really bipolar.
Yes, I had some of the symptoms, which qualified me to a bipolar
catergory. And the medicine has also given me symptoms. But don't you
think it is possibe it might be a self-fulfilling prophecy? if the
doctor asks you some questions. Because he thinks you are bipolar, he
relates your answers to bipolar behavior.
Just throwing something out there for discussion.
Mark
Lately I have questioned every thing I thought I was sure of.but not
the illness.Not well - but getting better.Harry
Harry
2006-06-25 20:30:01 UTC
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Post by Gary Rimar
Bipolar disorder is one of those diseases where the patient takes the meds,
gets better because of the meds, thinks they are "cured," stops taking the
meds, and gets sicker (i.e., the same meds when restarted don't give the
same level of effect).
Gary
Post by Harry
Post by HappyPolarBear
I quesiton my diagnose every single day even so I have seen three different
psych outside and spend twice time in the hospital.
I guess I just have a hard time to accept it. I always say my doctor
diagnosed me with BP. Never I have BP.
Carmen
Post by Markey
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone ever questioned their diagnosis?
When I was reviewing my history, I am not sure I am really bipolar.
Yes, I had some of the symptoms, which qualified me to a bipolar
catergory. And the medicine has also given me symptoms. But don't you
think it is possibe it might be a self-fulfilling prophecy? if the
doctor asks you some questions. Because he thinks you are bipolar, he
relates your answers to bipolar behavior.
Just throwing something out there for discussion.
Mark
Lately I have questioned every thing I thought I was sure of.but not
the illness.Not well - but getting better.Harry
agreed.I have been accused of skipping the lithium.Anyway those with
bipolar disorder are not exempt from the meaner things of our
experience.Call me a dinosaur,but Laing is worth reading("The Politics
of Experience" "Self & Others" et al).They laughed at me in graduate
school when I mentioned his work.They're laughing still,I spose."I
can't squawk,hell let 'em talk"-John Prine
Harry
"I'm still searching for the philosopher's Stone" V Morison
Harry
2006-06-26 23:58:00 UTC
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Post by Gary Rimar
Bipolar disorder is one of those diseases where the patient takes the meds,
gets better because of the meds, thinks they are "cured," stops taking the
meds, and gets sicker (i.e., the same meds when restarted don't give the
same level of effect).
Gary
Post by Harry
Post by HappyPolarBear
I quesiton my diagnose every single day even so I have seen three different
psych outside and spend twice time in the hospital.
I guess I just have a hard time to accept it. I always say my doctor
diagnosed me with BP. Never I have BP.
Carmen
Post by Markey
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone ever questioned their diagnosis?
When I was reviewing my history, I am not sure I am really bipolar.
Yes, I had some of the symptoms, which qualified me to a bipolar
catergory. And the medicine has also given me symptoms. But don't you
think it is possibe it might be a self-fulfilling prophecy? if the
doctor asks you some questions. Because he thinks you are bipolar, he
relates your answers to bipolar behavior.
Just throwing something out there for discussion.
Mark
Lately I have questioned every thing I thought I was sure of.but not
the illness.Not well - but getting better.hard to be sure of anything,from where I look Harry
Harry
2006-06-28 17:01:36 UTC
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Post by Gary Rimar
Bipolar disorder is one of those diseases where the patient takes the meds,
gets better because of the meds, thinks they are "cured," stops taking the
meds, and gets sicker (i.e., the same meds when restarted don't give the
same level of effect).
Gary
Post by Harry
Post by HappyPolarBear
I quesiton my diagnose every single day even so I have seen three different
psych outside and spend twice time in the hospital.
I guess I just have a hard time to accept it. I always say my doctor
diagnosed me with BP. Never I have BP.
Carmen
Post by Markey
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone ever questioned their diagnosis?
When I was reviewing my history, I am not sure I am really bipolar.
Yes, I had some of the symptoms, which qualified me to a bipolar
catergory. And the medicine has also given me symptoms. But don't you
think it is possibe it might be a self-fulfilling prophecy? if the
doctor asks you some questions. Because he thinks you are bipolar, he
relates your answers to bipolar behavior.
Just throwing something out there for discussion.
Mark
Lately I have questioned every thing I thought I was sure of.but not
the illness.Not well - but getting better.Harry
life gets more difficult when the bipolar person(me)is
ADHD,avoidant(perhaps enough for the personality disorder) and
OCD(which gets worse.(and I was a counselor.)Looks like I haven't been
very good at healing myself.
I skip Lithium some because I get toxic and that's hell.so I can get
cranky and run off both of my friends.Haven't a serious lasting
relationship with a woman in 2 years.Why would they?Ptresently I find
"Final Exit" (my book of poetry was "Exit") -bipolar poets often have
premature(?)exits they couldn't help.or no one tried to help. Harry
Harry
2006-06-28 17:01:36 UTC
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Post by Gary Rimar
Bipolar disorder is one of those diseases where the patient takes the meds,
gets better because of the meds, thinks they are "cured," stops taking the
meds, and gets sicker (i.e., the same meds when restarted don't give the
same level of effect).
Gary
Post by Harry
Post by HappyPolarBear
I quesiton my diagnose every single day even so I have seen three different
psych outside and spend twice time in the hospital.
I guess I just have a hard time to accept it. I always say my doctor
diagnosed me with BP. Never I have BP.
Carmen
Post by Markey
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone ever questioned their diagnosis?
When I was reviewing my history, I am not sure I am really bipolar.
Yes, I had some of the symptoms, which qualified me to a bipolar
catergory. And the medicine has also given me symptoms. But don't you
think it is possibe it might be a self-fulfilling prophecy? if the
doctor asks you some questions. Because he thinks you are bipolar, he
relates your answers to bipolar behavior.
Just throwing something out there for discussion.
Mark
Lately I have questioned every thing I thought I was sure of.but not
the illness.Not well - but getting better.Harry
life gets more difficult when the bipolar person(me)is
ADHD,avoidant(perhaps enough for the personality disorder) and
OCD(which gets worse.(and I was a counselor.)Looks like I haven't been
very good at healing myself.
I skip Lithium some because I get toxic and that's hell.so I can get
cranky and run off both of my friends.Haven't a serious lasting
relationship with a woman in 2 years.Why would they?Ptresently I find
"Final Exit" (my book of poetry was "Exit") -bipolar poets often have
premature(?)exits they couldn't help.or no one tried to help. Harry
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